MOTORCYCLE

>Champ spoke:
>> >Concrete example: Victoria bought her first car, a 1.4 Escort, for Ł350
>> >It recently developed an oil leak. If I hadnt noticed the pool of oil
>> >where she parks and told her to keep an eye on the oil level this sort of
>> >thing could quite possibly have occurred.
>>
>> What sort of thing. If it had run out of oil, the oil light would
>> have come on. If shed kept driving it, it would probably have done a
>> big-end, made a loud knocking noise, and lost power. If shed kept
>> driving it may have thrown a rod, and gone even slower. Apart from a
>> bit of oil on the road, I dont really see how it would cause any risk
>> to anyone else.
>
>So sitting in a broken down car on the hard shoulder of a busy motorway is
>perfectly safe, is it?
>
>So breaking down in the middle of a blind bend on an unlit road at night is
>safe, is it?
>
>So a new driver, experiencing an engine failure in the outside lane of a busy
>motorway in his/her SOC is perfectly acceptable?

>Champ spoke:
>> >I think that there is an underlying arrogance here, whereby the
>> >opponents of any moves such that under discussion, think that, because
>> >they personally dont see the need for it, it should not be done - they
>> >have a total ignorance of the real world, where there exist people who
>> >*do* need such legislation for their own and for others safety.
>>
>> So, Ben was bang on the money when he called you authoritarian, eh?
>
>Did he?

> >> So, Ben was bang on the money when he called you authoritarian, eh?
> >
> >Did he?
>
> er, I thought so. Or one of you. Look, my eyesights a bit fucked
> :-)

> I repeat - this is *not* a current problem. So why do you feel the
> need to legislate for it?

>
>What an absolutely dreadful photograph on which to base a quiz.
>I had to guess at one or two, and I know cars inside out.

>It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember Phil Launchbury
> saying something like:

>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3197645.stm
>
>What an absolutely dreadful photograph on which to base a quiz.
>I had to guess at one or two, and I know cars inside out.

>Champ spoke:
>> As Ben said - youre authoritarian.
>
>You could describe me as that, but OTOH I see myself as a
>realist - Bens libertarian viewpoint is fine for people
>who can manage such an anarchic style,

>but in the real
>world

> there are a lot of people who are unwilling or are
>unable to manage their own destiny,

>and so need rules to
>live by

> >You could describe me as that, but OTOH I see myself as a
> >realist - Bens libertarian viewpoint is fine for people
> >who can manage such an anarchic style,
>
> You dont actually know what either libertarian or anarchic mean do
> you?