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Is there anywhere and online version of it available?
Did a google and nothing obvious springs to the eye.

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In news:cjjjpe$l0i$1@news.ox.ac.uk,
PeterT fumbled, fiddled and fingered:


http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html



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PeterT wrote in message
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This should sort it out for you:

This election the decision is especially difficult because it pits a
sitting
president who started a war in order to find things that don

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:49:52 +0100, PeterT
wrote:


Top 10 secrets about the debates....

(10.) They arent debates!

A debate is a head-to-head, spontaneous, structured argument over the
merits of an issue, Rice says. Under the ridiculous 32-page contract
that reads like the rules for the Miss America Pageant, there will be
no candidate-to-candidate questions, no rebuttal to your opponents
points, no cross questions or cross answers, no rebuttals, no
follow-up questions -- thats not a debate, thats a news conference.

(9.) The debates were hijacked from the truly independent League of
Women Voters 1986.

The League of Women Voters ran these debates with an iron hand as
open, transparent, non-partisan events from 1976 to 1984, Rice says.
The men running the major campaigns ended their control when the
League defiantly included John Anderson and Ross Perot, and used tough
moderators and formats the parties didnt like. The parties snatched
the debates from the League and formed the Commission on Presidential
Debates -- the CPD -- in 1986.

(8.) The independent and non-partisan Commission on Presidential
Debates is neither independent nor non-partisan.

CPD should stand for Cloaking-device for Party Deceptions -- it is
not an independent commission on anything. The CPD is under the total
control of the Republican and Democratic parties and by definition
bipartisan, not non-partisan. Walter Cronkite called CPD-sponsored
debates an unconscionable fraud.

(7.) The secretly negotiated debate contract bars Kerry and Bush from
any and all other debates for the entire campaign.

Under what I call the Debate Suppression and Monopolization Clause of
the contract, it is illegal for the candidates to debate each other
anywhere else during the campaign, Rice says. We need a new criminal
law for reckless endangerment of democracy.

(6.) The debate contract effectively excludes all other serious
presidential candidates from participating in the debates.

This is what I call the Obstruction of Democratic Debate Rule, which
sets an impossibly high threshold for third-party candidates... Where
are we, Russia? Isnt Vladimir Putin wiping out democracy in Russia by
excluding all opposing candidates from the airwaves during his
re-election campaigns.? Most new ideas come from third parties -- they
should be in the debates.

(5.) All members of the studio audience must be certified as soft
supporters of Bush and Kerry, under selection procedures they approve.

Its not enough to rig the debate -- they have to rig the audience,
too? The contract reads: The debate will take place before a live
audience of between 100 and 150 persons who... describe themselves as
likely voters who are soft Bush supporters or soft Kerry supporters.
We should crash this charade and jump up in the middle to declare
ourselves hard opponents of this Kabuki dance.

(4.) These soft audience members must observe in silence.

Soft and silent... In what Im calling the Silence of the Lambs
Clause of this absurd contract, the audience may not move, speak,
gesture, cough or otherwise show that they are alive and thinking.

(3.) The extended discussion portion of the debate cannot exceed 30
seconds.

Other than the stupidity of the debate contract, what topic do you
know can be extendedly discussed in 30 seconds?

(2.) Important issues are locked out by the CPD debate rules and party
control.

Really important but sticky or tough issues get axed, because the
parties control the questions and topics, Rice says. For example, in
2000, Gore and Bush mentioned the following issues zero times: Child
poverty, the drug war, homelessness, working-class families, NAFTA,
prisons, corporate crime and corporate welfare.

(1.) Fortune 100 corporations are the main funders of the
CPD-sponsored debates, and the CPDs co-chairs are corporate
lobbyists.

The CPD is run by Frank Fahrenkopf, a pharmaceutical industry
lobbyist, and Paul Kirk, a top gambling lobbyist, Rice says. And
the.biggest muliti-national corporations write the checks that fund
the CPD -- Phillip Morris, Anheuser-Busch and dozens more. The
audience may have to be silent and motionless, but the corporate
sponsors can have banners, beer tents, Budweiser girls handing out
pamphlets protesting beer taxes -- a corporate-sponsored circus to go
along with the Kabuki Debates. Could we get a more fitting description
of our democracy?

PeterT wrote in message
news:cjjjpe$l0i$1@news.ox.ac.uk...

Kerry: Mr President, if I may turn for a moment to the situation in Iraq.

Bush: Indeed you may.

Kerry: Well you know how many people there are living in daily terror,
without food, water or basic medical care?

Bush: I am aware that such a situation may exist in parts of Iraq, yes.

Kerry: Well thats where your mum takes you for your holidays, that is.
You think its better than Disneyland.

Bush: I assure the senator that he is entirely wrong in that matter, but I
wish to raise a point about the war on terror.

Kerry: Please, feel free to do so.

Bush: You are aware of the evil of Osama Bin Laden?

Kerry: I am.

Bush: You are aware that he is against all things American and constantly
plots in America, while on the run from our brave troops? That he lives in
a cave somewhere, surrounded by his filthy, bearded followers, making
occasional video tapes, denouncing US foreign policy, where he appears
haggard, drawn and clothed in soiled rags?

Kerry: Yes, I am fully aware of the circumstances of which you speak.

Bush: Well you fancy him, you do. You want to kiss him ... on the mouth.


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AndrewR wrote

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yeah I watched it live as well.


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